水中花 发表于 2007-4-14 06:15

[请教]痰培养结果有一定比例酵母样真菌能定为呼吸道真菌感染吗?

痰培养结果有一定比例如50%、70%的酵母样真菌,这种情况能定为呼吸道真菌感染吗?痰培养的结果应如何理解比较合理?请各位大虾请指教!

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楚楚 发表于 2007-4-14 10:54

[求助]水中花提出的问题很好

<font face="楷体_GB2312" size="4">水中花提出的问题很好,很有代表性,作为医院感染管理专职人员微生物知识比较缺乏。有关专家,您在哪里?能否尽快给“水中花”一个满意的答复呢?其实我们很多战友也同样在翘首以待呢!先行谢过了!</font>

绿谷 发表于 2007-4-14 16:49

回复水中花

&nbsp;<div vshape="_x0000_s1026"><div class="O1" style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;120 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 468; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 133%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体;"><span style="LEFT: -2.94%; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;">&Oslash;</span></span><font face="楷体_GB2312"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体;"><b>免疫功能正常时,常为定植菌,不引起肺炎,很少需抗真菌</b></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体;"><b>治疗; </b></span></font></font></div><div class="O1" style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;120 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 468; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 133%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体;"><span style="LEFT: -2.94%; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="3">&Oslash;</font></span></span><font face="楷体_GB2312"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体;"><b>免疫功能低下,或发生菌群失调,或粘膜屏障受损时,定植</b></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体;"><b>菌可成为致病菌引起肺部感染 </b></span></font></font></div><div class="O" style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 50 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">&nbsp;</font><div class="O" vshape="_x0000_s1026"><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="LEFT: -4.55%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">检查有无口腔粘膜念珠菌病 </font></b></span></div><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="LEFT: -4.55%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">涂片是否存在假菌丝 </font></b></span></div><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="LEFT: -4.55%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">痰液细胞学检查,咳痰标本是否合格 </font></b></span></div><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="LEFT: -4.55%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">定量或半定量计数,真菌浓度是否较高 </font></b></span></div><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="LEFT: -4.55%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">多次重复培养,是否一直存在 </font></b></span></div><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="LEFT: -4.55%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">必要时采集下呼吸道免污染标本 </font></b></span></div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 156%; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><span style="LEFT: -4.26%; POSITION: absolute; mso-special-format: bullet;"><font face="楷体_GB2312" size="2">•</font></span><font face="楷体_GB2312"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b>感染部位活</b></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: aqua; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-color-index: 5;"><b>组织检查发现有假菌丝侵入组织</b></span></font></font></div></span><font face="楷体_GB2312"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><b>感染部位活</b></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: aqua; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-color-index: 5;"><b>组织检查发现有假菌丝侵入组织</b></span></font></font><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><font face="楷体_GB2312"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: aqua; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-color-index: 5;"><strong>因此一定要结合临床来判断。</strong></span></font></font></div><div style="mso-line-spacing: &quot;100 20 0&quot;; mso-margin-left-alt: 216; mso-char-wrap: 1; mso-kinsoku-overflow: 1;"><font face="楷体_GB2312"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: aqua; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-color-index: 5;"><strong>我有事了,</strong><font color="#000000">痰培养的结果应如何理解比较合理?等会儿再来回答。哈哈!!</font></span></font></font></div></div></div></div>

gaoxd5 发表于 2007-4-14 17:19

痰培养中有很多病原体是属于正常菌群,例如草绿色链球菌,奈瑟菌属,CONS,肠球菌,甚至少量的念珠菌口腔都有定植,故在看培养结果前首先要对痰进行涂片看是否是属于合格的痰标本(即从深部咳出的痰),如果不合格一般认为污染的可能性非常大,而合格的痰标本中的量比较多的细菌有可能是病原体,这个问题是个比较大的题目,不是这么一两句话可以说得清楚的!大家谅解!!^_^

绿谷 发表于 2007-4-14 17:42

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<p>痰培养的结果应如何理解比较合理?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 29.4pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.96;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp; ±</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><p></p></span></p><p><font size="3">培养结果观察:利用痰液半定量培养结果,可帮助区分所分离的细菌是感染菌还是污染菌。单次痰液半定量培养显示细菌浓度</font><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3">≥<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;">10<sup>7</sup>CFU/ml或4+者,可以认为是感染菌,单次培养菌浓度<font face="宋体">≤<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;">10<sup>4</sup>CFU/ml或1+者,为污染菌;浓度<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;">10<sup>5</sup><font face="宋体">~<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;">10<sup>6</sup><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;">CFU/ml或2+<font face="宋体">~3+</font>者,应重复培养检查见下表:</span></font></span></font></span></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="宋体"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="宋体"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;">痰液半定量培养结果的临床意义</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;"><p></p></span></p><p><table class="MsoNormalTable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="540" border="0" style="MARGIN: auto auto auto -30.6pt; WIDTH: 405pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;"><tbody><tr style="HEIGHT: 22.6pt; mso-yfti-irow: 0; mso-yfti-firstrow: yes;"><td valign="top" width="540" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 405pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; HEIGHT: 22.6pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .5pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">细菌培养(半定量法)相应菌量(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">CFU/ml</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">临床意义</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><p></p></span></p></td></tr><tr style="HEIGHT: 23.45pt; mso-yfti-irow: 1; mso-yfti-lastrow: yes;"><td valign="top" width="540" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 405pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 23.45pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">4</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;">≥</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">10<sup>7</sup></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">±</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">多为感染菌</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">3</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span>10<sup>6</sup></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">±</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">感染菌可能性大(重复培养</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">2</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+~</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">3</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+:感染菌)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">2</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>10<sup>5</sup></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">±</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">污染菌可能性大(重复培养</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">1</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+:感染菌;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">2</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+:难定;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">3</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+感染菌)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">1</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">+</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">≤</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;">10<sup>4</sup></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">±</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">多为污染菌</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><p></p></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></p></span></font></span></font></span></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></span>

水中花 发表于 2007-4-14 20:47

<p>先谢过各位老师了!不过现在我院的细菌室对痰液尚无半定量培养,曾经进行过沟通但得不到认可,看来细菌室的人员需要更新观念,发展业务,这样才能对临床有真正的帮助!</p>

icchina 发表于 2007-4-14 22:26

<font size="4"><strong>不知道大家是否看过《<a href="http://www.zgcbb.net/book.asp?id=13125" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" size="4"><strong>临床微生物学教育丛书》</strong></font></a>,这是一套由大陆和香港(司徒永康教授主审)临床微生物专家共同编写的系列小册子。主要读者对象是微生物检验人员、临床医生和医院感染管理专业人员。内容非常实用,能回答类似上面的问题。目前已经出版的有《<a href="http://www.zgcbb.net/book.asp?id=13125" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" size="4"><strong>下呼吸道感染实验诊断规范</strong></font></a>》、《<u>细菌性腹泻实验室诊断规范》、《分枝杆菌病实验室诊断规范》、《血培养操作规范》、《病原学检查标本采集、运送和保存规范》、《抗微生物药物敏感性试验规范》</u>等6册。我已经与出版社联系,在4月18~21日“上海国际医院感染控制论坛”的会议期间,让他们设销售专柜,以方便大家选购。每册8~14元。</strong></font>

木瓜 发表于 2007-4-15 00:29

<font face="楷体_GB2312">对于丽水分享的东东真是受教了!以前看到谈培养的结果上老是有+或++等,就是不知道怎么评价。我还是学感染专业的呢,说来真是惭愧!!</font>

xiangboshu 发表于 2007-4-18 00:35

<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我认为痰标本有少量的酵母菌是正常的,因为正常人群中也会有少量酵母菌的定植。在我们细菌室也经常看到平板上有念珠菌的生长,我们一般都当正常菌群报的。</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 至于楼主所说的是否为感染,首先看痰涂片上皮细胞和白细胞的比例,若标本不合格,就不用讨论。同时还要看是否为单一菌,若该标本没有草链和奈瑟菌,仅有酵母菌,且半定量培养为3+-4+,连续多次培养都为一种酵母菌,还是有意义的。另外,还要结合临床看是否有真菌感染的症状,综合考虑才能确定是否为感染。</p>

楚楚 发表于 2007-4-23 07:14

<font size="4"><font face="楷体_GB2312">下呼吸道感染的诊断很复杂,三言两语确实说不清楚。胡教授推荐的这一套书在本次论坛会期间我有幸买了<font face="Times New Roman">3-6</font>册,其中1-2册(《<u>血培养操作规范》、《细菌性腹泻实验室诊断规范》)</u>没有买到,怀着急切的心情我求助了主编胡教授,胡教授说“由于这二册按照最新研究成果,发现其中有些观点是错误的,因此暂停出版”。写下以上文字,一是解除与我同样没有买到1-2册的部分代表的疑问;二是想告诉大家,尽管我已买了其中几册,包括《</font><a href="http://www.zgcbb.net/book.asp?id=13125" target="_blank"><font face="楷体_GB2312" color="#000000" size="4">下呼吸道感染实验诊断规范</font></a><font face="楷体_GB2312">》,但我仍然回答不了“如何通过痰培养结果对下呼吸道感染进行病原学诊断”这个问题,说明拥有这一套书很好,但如何正确应用还需要我们静下心来仔细研读;三是想向大家传达这样一个信息,知识更新很快,胡教授这样一批优秀专家就能正视,难道我们不更是应该这样吗?多听听别人在说什么?多看看别人在怎么做?这或许也是胡教授费心建立这个网站的目的之一吧。如果你还是一个过客,那么赶快成为其中的一员吧!孔子曰:三人行必有我师焉。</font></font><font face="楷体_GB2312"></font>
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-4-22 23:16:44编辑过]

icchina 发表于 2007-4-23 07:28

<p><font face="宋体" size="3">谢谢楚楚版主的介绍和学习工作精神!</font></p><p><font face="宋体" size="3">1-2册(《<u>血培养操作规范》、《细菌性腹泻实验室诊断规范》)</u>没有买到,是因为出版时期较早,已经全部买完。考虑到“血培养操作规范”的新观念和建议较多,近期要更新,即要出第二版了,所以旧版本就不再添印啦。</font></p>

xiangboshu 发表于 2007-4-25 05:09

<p>&nbsp;</p>,楚楚版主讲的真好。

hxwsw 发表于 2007-5-25 23:06

原帖由 xiangboshu 于 2007-4-18 00:35 发表 http://bbs.sific.com.cn/images/common/back.gif
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 我认为痰标本有少量的酵母菌是正常的,因为正常人群中也会有少量酵母菌的定植。在我们细菌室也经常看到平板上有念珠菌的生长,我们一般都当正常菌群报的。&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 至于楼主所说的 ...

讲得好!痰液培养的致病菌问题还会有漫长的讨论!谢谢各位老师精采的发言!对于分析较为全面的贴子,大家会推选为精华.
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